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Post: Spiritual Awakening Specialist Call for Fresh Movement of God

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Posted by: Betty Lou

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I don’t have a problem with a Church encouraging their people to take time to pray. The important thing is that we should be seeking God’s will and not ours. Churches should not be seeking ways to make their Church better but to seek God to find out how the Church can do the work of God better. The target goal should not be able making your Church look more spiritual but to be more spiritual. When a Church has her focus on God then she will be a better Church. As far as time, I don’t think it is wrong to set aside a time of prayer and deeper commitment. A life of prayer starts one day at a time.


Forrest/Anddra/Andrew Gray from UK

I have banned 6 of this man’s IP addresses and have banned his emails also.

He is on today again with a NEW IP address. I just banned that one also and sent out every BAN I could find in the controls.

I would like to know what his intentions are here “searching” our board.. I am rather annoyed with him right now.

I have requested that Black Smoke handle him further and hope he can do so.

so.. how’s that one folks? stupid baby games.. people like this belong in kindegarten!:angry4::angry4:



Reformation Men and Theology, Part 1

by Dr. Jack L. Arnold


A. From 590 to 1517, the Roman Church dominated the western world. The Roman Catholic Church controlled religion, philosophy, morals, politics, art and education. This was the dark ages for true Christianity. The vital doctrines of Biblical Christianity had almost disappeared, and with the neglect of true doctrine came the passing of life and light that constitutes the worship of the One True God as declared in Christ.

B.The Roman Catholic Church was theologically sick and its theology led to atrocious corruptions. It was spiritually exhausted, enfeebled and almost lifeless. Rome had seriously departed from the teaching of the Bible and was engrossed in real heresy.

C. There can be no appreciation for the Reformation until one sees the great spiritual need of the western world in the 16th century. No Christian, Roman Catholic, Protestant or Independent can gloss over the period of history from 590 to 1517. This period is a “black spot” to all who name the name of Christ, but it is Christian history.


A. Infallibility of the Pope. While this was not an officially declared dogma of the Roman Church (it became official dogma in 1870), it was an assumed fact. As early as 590, Gregory the Great called himself “the servant of servants,” believing that he was supreme among all bishops. Another pope, Hildebrand or Gregory VII (11th century), held that, as vicar of Christ and representative of Peter, he could give or take empires. Everyone from the lowest peasant to the highest ruler was to recognize him as Christ’s representative on earth and supreme ruler over all religious and political matters. Another pope (14th century) Boniface VII, said,

“We declare, state, define and pronounce that for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pope is altogether necessary for salvation” (Caper, The Church in History).

B. Salvation in the Roman Church Only. Rome taught that all who did not acknowledge the pope as God’s representative on earth and the Roman Catholic Church as the only true church were ****ed. Salvation was confined within the teachings of the Roman Church. Every person who disagreed with the Roman Church was in line for a heresy trial and perhaps excommunication. Excommunication meant the loss of one’s soul.

C. Salvation by Works. By the 14th century, Augustinian theology was lost or badly neglected. Rome had accepted almost in totality the freewill teaching of Pelagius (5th century) that it had formerly repudiated. Salvation was not caused by God’s grace through a supernatural new birth, but by assent to Roman Catholic dogma and practice. Faith was not trust in Christ for salvation, but submission to the church. Salvation was not by grace through faith in Christ alone, but by faith in the church and good works prescribed by the church. Practically speaking, “good works” consisted of mere external obedience to the church, and did not necessarily flow from a life of faith in Christ. The Roman Catholic Church stressed external actions, legal observance and penitential works. Man actually gained heaven by his works.

D.Complete Sanctification. Rome taught sinless perfectionism. They confused justification and sanctification, teaching that men were justified by God’s work in their own hearts and experience. Justification became subjective rather than objective. God was said to infuse grace and transform the sinful nature. By this transforming change within him, the believer was said to be made just in God’s sight. As the Christian received more grace, he was said to become less sinful and therefore more just in God’s sight.

“Rome held out to men the possibility of becoming pure and sinless saints (ontological perfection), and those who attained this perfection reached sainthood and were qualified to enter heaven at the hour of death. Those who did not become perfect and absolutely sinless in the flesh would need to go to purgatory after death and thus be made completely just and qualified to enter heaven” (“The Great Issues of the Reformation,” Present Truth).

E. Worshiping of Saints. The more a person practiced external works, the more saintlike he became and the closer he came to heaven. Some men, who were good enough to be called saints, lived lives advanced in holiness beyond what was required of them. They were made saints by the church. Many of these saints were worshiped by the Roman Catholic Church and became mediators between God and man.

“When Pelagianism laid down the doctrine that man could attain a state of perfect sanctification, it affirmed also that the merits of saints and martyrs might be applied to the Church. A peculiar power was attributed to their intercession. Prayers were made to them; their aid was invoked in all the sorrows of life; and a real idolatry thus supplanted the adoration of the living and true God” (J. H. Merle D’aubigne, History of the Reformation of the Sixteenth Century, 1848).

F.Exaltation of the Clergy. The doctrine of sinless perfectionism strengthened the position of the Roman hierarchy. The clergy were thought to be more holy than the average people. Being more holy, they were special channels of the grace of God. Thus, the clergy had the authority from God to dispense God’s grace.

“Salvation, taken from the hands of God, fell into those of the priests, who set themselves in the place of our Lord. Souls thirsting for pardon were no more to look to heaven, but to the Church, and above all to its pretended head. To these blinded souls the Roman pontiff was God. Hence the greatness of the popes – hence unutterable abuses” (D’aubigne).


A. System of Penance. From a “works” theology flowed the idea of penance. Men had to do certain external acts to prove the reality of their faith. At first penance consisted of certain public expressions of repentance for people involved in scandal, but it was soon extended to every sin, even to the most secret. Penance was considered as sort of a punishment to which it was necessary to submit in order to obtain the forgiveness of God through the priest’s absolution. Instead of looking to Christ alone for forgiveness, it was sought in the church principally through penitential works.

“Great importance was soon attached to external marks of repentance –to tears, fasting, and mortification of the flesh; and inward regeneration of the heart, which alone constitutes a real conversion, was forgotten.

“As confession and penance are easier than the extirpation of sin and the abandonment of vice, many ceased contending against the lusts of the flesh, and preferred gratifying them at the expense of a few mortifications.

“The penitential works, thus substituted for the salvation of God, were multiplied in the Church from Tertullian down to the thirteenth century. Men were required to fast, to go barefoot, to wear no linen, etc.; to quit their homes and their native land for distant countries; or to renounce the world and embrace a monastic life.

“In the eleventh century voluntary flagellations were super added to these practices; somewhat later they become quite a mania in Italy, which was then in a very disturbed state. Nobles and peasants, old and young, even children of five years of age, whose only covering was a cloth tied round the middle, went in pairs, by hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands, through the towns and villages, visiting the churches in the depth of winter. Armed with scourges, they flogged each other without pity, and the streets resounded with cries and groans that drew tears from all who heard them” (D’aubigne).

B.System of Indulgences. Indulgences were a system of exchange whereby the priests employed their special rapport with God to perform certain religious acts for laymen. For a price, Clergy would pray, fast and read scripture for a person. In other words, priestly services were bought. This was later developed into buying up time one might have to spend in purgatory.

“Incest, if not detected, was to cost five groats; and six, if it was known. There was a stated price for murder, infanticide, adultery, perjury, burglary, etc. ‘O disgrace of Rome!’ exclaims Claude d’Espence, a Roman divine: and we may add, O disgrace of human nature! for we can utter no reproach against Rome that does not recoil on man himself. Rome is human nature exalted in some of its worst propensities” (D’aubigne).

System of Confession. Since the clergy through the church were dispensers of God’s grace, they also had the authority to forgive sins. Private confession was abandoned for auricular confession to the priest.


A. Immorality of the Clergy. Celibacy for clergy became Roman Church law in 1079. This mandate tempted all kinds of immorality. The abodes of the clergy were often dens of corruption. It was a common sight to see priests frequenting the taverns, gambling, and having orgies with quarrels and blasphemy. Many of the clergy kept mistresses, and convents became houses of ill fame. In many places the people were delighted at seeing a priest keep a mistress, that the married women might be safe from his seductions.

“In many places the priest paid the bishop a regular tax for the women with whom he lived, and for each child he had by her. A German bishop said publically one day, at a great entertainment, that in one year eleven thousand priests had presented themselves before him for that purpose. It is Erasmus who relates this” (D’aubigne).

B. Immorality of the People. Morality declined with the decline of faith. Take away supernatural salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and you take away sanctification and good works. Indulgences were looked upon by the common man as a license to sin, for men could buy their forgiveness.

C. Ignorance of Clergy. Many of the clergy had come to their offices through political maneuvering. In a country parish one person called the clergy “miserable wretches . . . previously raised from beggary, and who had been cooks, musicians, huntsmen, stable boys and even worse.” Clergy no longer had to learn and teach the Scriptures, for the church told them what to do. Even the superior clergymen were sunk in great ignorance in spiritual matters. They had secular learning, but knew very little of the Bible.

“A bishop of Dunfeld congratulated himself on having never learnt either Greek or Hebrew. The monks asserted that all heresies arose from those two languages, and particularly from the Greek. ‘The New Testament,’ said one of them, ‘is a book full of serpents and thorns. Greek,’ continued he, ‘is a new and recently invented language, and we must be upon our guard against it. As for Hebrew, my dear brethren, it is certain that all who learn it immediately become Jews.’

“Even the faculty of theology at Paris scrupled not to declare to the parliament: ‘Religion is ruined, if you permit the study of Greek and Hebrew'” (D’aubigne).

D. Inquisition. This organization was designed to inquire into the spread of heresy and to call before its tribunal Catholics suspected of heresy with a view to securing their repentance. The accused were sometimes tortured and even put to death. The Inquisition was a disgrace to men who call themselves followers of God.

E. The Papal Schism. From 1378-1417 there were three simultaneous popes, each claiming to be the true pope: Urban VII, an Italian; Clement VII, a Frenchman; and a third pope elected by the Council of Pisa. For several years there were three popes anathematizing and excommunicating one another.

F.The Practice of Simony. Simony was the sinful practice of giving or obtaining an appointment to a church office for money. This was a common practice in the Middle Ages, even in the obtaining of the office of pope.

G. Relics. Rome, playing on the ignorance of people, held all kinds of relics in veneration.

“In the church of All Saints at Wittenberg was shown a fragment of Noah’s ark, some soot from the furnace of the Three Children, a piece of wood from the cradle of Jesus Christ, some hair from the beard of St. Christopher, and nineteen thousand other relics of greater or less value” (D’aubigne).


A. Some Roman Catholic Heresies and Inventions, and the Dates of their Adoption:

  1. Prayers for the dead; about 300
  2. Making the sign of the cross; 300
  3. Wax candles; about 320
  4. Veneration of angels and dead saints, and use of images; 375
  5. The Mass as a daily celebration; 394
  6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary, the term “Mother of God” first applied to her by the Council of Ephesus; 431
  7. Priests began to dress differently from laymen; 500
  8. Extreme Unction; 526
  9. The doctrine of Purgatory, established by Gregory I; 593
  10. Latin Language, used in prayer and worship, imposed by Gregory I; 600
  11. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and angels; about 600
  12. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by emperor Phocas; 610
  13. Kissing the pope s foot, began with pope Constantine; 709
  14. Temporal power of the popes, conferred by Pepin, king of France; 750
  15. Worship of the cross, images and relics, authorized in; 786
  16. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest; 850
  17. Worship of St. Joseph; 890
  18. College of Cardinals established; 927
  19. Baptism of bells, instituted by pope John XIV; 965
  20. Canonization of dead saints, first by pope John XV; 995
  21. Fasting of Fridays and during lent; 998
  22. The Mass, developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory in the 11th century
  23. Celibacy of the priesthood, decreed by pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand); 1079
  24. The Rosary, mechanical praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit; 1090
  25. The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona; 1184
  26. Sale of Indulgences; 1190
  27. Transubstantiation, proclaimed by pope Innocent III; 1215
  28. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest instead of to God, instituted by pope Innocent III, in Lateran Council; 1215
  29. Adoration of the wafer (Host), decreed by pope Honorius III; 1220
  30. Bible forbidden to laymen, placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia; 1229
  31. The Scapular, invented by Simon Stock, an English monk; 1287
  32. Cup forbidden to the people at communion by Council of Constance; 1414
  33. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence; 1438
  34. The doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed; 1439
  35. The Ave Maria (part of the last half was completed 50 years later and approved by pope Sixtus V at the end of the 16th century); 1508
  36. Jesuit order founded by Loyola; 1534
  37. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent; 1545
  38. Apocryphal books added to the Bible by the Council of Trent; 1546
  39. Creed of pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed; 1560
  40. Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, proclaimed by pope Pius IX; 1854
  41. Syllabus of Errors, proclaimed by pope Pius IX, and ratified by the Vatican Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press, and scientific discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the pope s temporal authority over all civil rulers; 1864
  42. Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council; 1870
  43. Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XI; 1930
  44. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death), proclaimed by Pope Pius XII; 1950

B. Add to these many others: monks, nuns, monasteries, convents, forty days lent, holy week, Palm Sunday, Ash Wednesday, All Saints Day, Candlemas, fish day, meat days, incense, holy oil, holy palms, Christopher medals, charms, novenas, and others.

Hariri opens door to Iranian-Hizballah takeover of Lebanon's armed

Hariri opens door to Iranian-Hizballah takeover of Lebanon’s armed forces

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report November 30, 2010, 12:07 PM (GMT+02:00)

Prime Minister Saad Hariri ended his two-day visit to Tehran Monday, Nov. 29, with consent for Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers to take part for the first time in coordinating sessions between Lebanese and Hizballah commanders, DEBKAfile’s military and Iranian sources report.

Hariri was steered toward this concession in meetings with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and defense minister Ahmed Wahidi. He was told it was the price for an audience with supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

What Hariri’s action means is that the Lebanese chief of staff Gen. Jean Kahwaji, will henceforth be obliged to coordinate all his operational decisions and actions with Hizballah’s Iranian chief commander, Gen. Hossein Mahadavi of the Al Qods Brigades, as well as the new Hizballah commander on the Israeli front line, Hashim Safi Al-Din, Hassan Nasrallah’s cousin and a staunch pro-Iranian loyalist.

DEBKAfile’s military sources note that, since Hizballah’s top military echelon in Lebanon functions under the operational orders of the joint Iranian-Syrian headquarters in Damascus, so too will the Lebanese army. Therefore, Hariri’s concession in Tehran opened the door to the IRGC moving in on the Lebanese army.

Khamenei greeted the Lebanese Prime Minister with his new instructions: “You should consolidate relations with Hizballah,” he said, explaining: “As long as the occupying Zionist regime exists, Lebanon needs Resistance (a euphemism for Hizballah).”

The supreme leader did not mention the Lebanon’s national army forces as a factor in these instructions because, in his mind, Hariri’s concession had already waived its autonomy and accepted the inevitability of its merger with Hizballah as a unified force under the latter’s superior command.

Ayatollah Khamenei’s last remark to his Lebanon visitor was loaded with menace: “If the government and the Resistance form part of the same front, this country will follow the path of greatness and development, and the Zionist regime will not be able to do it the least harm.”

And if not? Hariri was given to understand that if Lebanon toes the Iranian-Hizballah line, he and his country will prosper and live in peace. But if not, Lebanon faces the alternative of deathly domestic struggle ending in the triumph of the Hizballah “Resistance.”

Now North Korea boasts advances in nuclear program

Now North Korea boasts advances in nuclear program

(Reuters) – Secretive North Korea boasted advances in its nuclear program on Tuesday, making sure it held the world’s attention, saying it had thousands of working centrifuges, as pressure built on China to rein in its ally.

SEOUL | Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:47pm EST

Nuclear-armed Pyongyang’s revelations about its uranium enrichment, which gives it a second route to make a nuclear bomb, came a week after it fired an artillery barrage at a South Korean island, killing four people, including two civilians.

Experts have voiced surprise at the sophistication of a uranium enrichment plant and light-water reactor at the North’s main nuclear complex, which were shown to a U.S. scientist earlier this month. There has been no way to verify the North’s claims.

The North is also seen as a proliferation risk, accused by the West of supplying Syria, and possibly Iran, with nuclear know-how.

“Currently, construction of a light-water reactor is in progress actively and a modern uranium enrichment plant equipped with several thousands of centrifuges, to secure the supply of fuels, is operating,” the Rodong Sinmun newspaper reported.

“Nuclear energy development projects will become more active for peaceful purpose in the future,” added the paper, according the state news agency KCNA.

New revelations by whistle-blower WikiLeaks, meanwhile, suggested that some Chinese officials did not view North Korea as a useful ally and would take no action if it collapsed.

By staging provocations and flexing its nuclear muscle, analysts say the isolated North is seeking to increase its leverage as it pushes for a resumption of talks with regional powers, which it walked out of two years ago, in return for aid.

Andrei Lankov, a North Korea expert at Seoul’s Kookmin University, said Pyongyang was simply following a typical pattern………………….

GOP seen blocking Obama on reconciliation with Iran, Syria

GOP seen blocking Obama on reconciliation with Iran, Syria

Monday, November 29, 2010

WASHINGTON – The midterm election victory by Republicans could result in a challenge to U.S. policy on Iran and Syria.

Congressional sources said the Republican Party’s capture of the House of Representatives would result in a review of President Barack Obama’s policy on such foreign issues as Iran, Israel and Syria. They said the new GOP chairs of key House defense and foreign policy committees would block Obama’s attempts to reconcile with Iran and Syria.

“You are going to see more aggressiveness to push an agenda and not to defer to the administration,” a leading congressional aide told Foreign Policy magazine.



2010 November 30 03:24:41 UTC




Tuesday, November 30, 2010 at 03:24:41 UTC

Tuesday, November 30, 2010 at 01:24:41 PM at epicenter

Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones


28.415°N, 139.139°E


478.3 km (297.2 miles)




335 km (210 miles) WNW of Chichi-shima, Bonin Islands, Japan

455 km (285 miles) NNW of Iwo Jima, Volcano Islands, Japan

525 km (325 miles) S of Hachijo-jima, Izu Islands, Japan

810 km (500 miles) S of TOKYO, Japan

Location Uncertainty

horizontal +/- 13.2 km (8.2 miles); depth +/- 0.5 km (0.3 miles)


NST=506, Nph=514, Dmin=334 km, Rmss=0.65 sec, Gp= 25°,

M-type=”moment” magnitude from initial P wave (tsuboi method) (Mi/Mwp), Version=B



Event ID


EU launches antitrust probe into alleged Google abuses

EU launches antitrust probe into alleged Google abuses

30 November 2010 Last updated at 06:56 ET

The European Commission has launched an investigation into Google after other search engines complained that the firm had abused its dominant position.

The EC will examine whether the world’s largest search engine penalised competing services in its results.

The probe follows complaints by firms including price comparison site Foundem and legal search engine

Google denies the allegations but said it would work with the Commission to “address any concerns”.

Earlier this year the attorney general of Texas launched a similar investigation following complaints from firms including Foundem.

The objections in both cases are from competitors which allege that Google manipulates its search results.

“The European Commission has decided to open an antitrust investigation into allegations that Google has abused a dominant position in online search,” the body said in a statement.

It said the action followed “complaints by search service providers about unfavourable treatment of their services in Google’s unpaid and sponsored search results coupled with an alleged preferential placement of Google’s own services.”………………..

Dmitry Medvedev warns of Cold War-style arms race

Dmitry Medvedev warns of Cold War-style arms race

Dmitry Medvedev has warned the world will be plunged into a new Cold War-style arms race within a decade unless Moscow and the West can strike a deal on a new missile defence system.

Mr Medvedev, the Russian president, who was giving his annual state-of-the-nation speech in the Kremlin, issued the stark warning in an apparent attempt to strong-arm Nato into caving in on the sensitive issue.

He is reported to have presented his own blueprint for a joint Nato-Russia missile defence shield at the Nato summit in Lisbon earlier this month but to have got only a lukewarm response.

Analysts said his blunt message to the West on Tuesday appeared to be: embrace us as a fully-fledged partner or have us as a potential foe.

“In the coming 10 years, we are facing the following alternative,” he told an audience of Russia’s top decision makers including Vladimir Putin, the prime minister.

“Either we agree on anti-missile defence and opt for fully-fledged joint co-operation, or Ð if we fail to get constructive co-operation Ð (we will face) a new round of the arms race.”

To stormy applause Mr Medvedev warned that Russia would be forced to start thinking about where to deploy “new offensive weapons” if there was no agreement with Nato, raising the spectre of the Kremlin pumping billions more into a new nuclear weapons programme. Such a scenario would be “very grave,” he noted………………..