Why the Desert Fathers?

Why the Growing Popularity of the Desert Fathers?

Compiled By S. E. Ray

It only takes a little leaven to make the dough rise as Christ taught… meaning it only takes a little error to cancel out all the positive effects of truth. The Desert Fathers were Early Coptic who lived in the Egyptian Nitrate desert and had some deep insights, but they were immersed in some Eastern methodologies that troubles a great many past and current scholars. Here is an excerpt from my 2006 article found here: http://www.eternalpath.com/comtemprayer.html.

In the early Middle Ages during the 4th through 6th centuries, there lived a group of hermits in the wilderness areas of the Middle East. They were known to history as the Desert Fathers. They dwelt in small isolated communities for the purpose of devoting their lives completely to God without distraction. The contemplative movement traces its roots back to these monks. They were the ones who first promoted the mantra as a prayer tool. “The meditation practices and rules for living of these earliest Christian monks bear strong similarity to those of their Hindu and Buddhist enunciate brethren several kingdoms to the East… the meditative techniques they adopted for finding their God suggest either a borrowing from the East or a spontaneous rediscovery.'” From A Time of Departing, p. 42, 2nd ed. (Ray Yungen)

You might want to read the whole article to get the full jest. I have a rule of thumb about being a purist by not accepting any group or teaching that departs from the foundational teachings of Christ. Inasmuch as we are the bride of Christ, we as the bride should desire to keep ourselves pure from the world and teachings that edge away from the counsel of Christ as set forth in scripture. Or as James the Lesser wrote in his letter in James 1:27, “Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”

Adam and Eve entertained only one convincing error combine with truth, and all of mankind was gravely effected. A lesson about the dangers of accepting error mixed with truth. Plus, we simply can’t take a teachers, churches or any institutions word as the ultimate truth. So many in authority today are duped by erroneous teaching, because they haven’t taken the time to investigate the origin and spirit behind the teaching. Sadly, some have estimated more than half those who are teaching today are under the spirit of error. As a avid watchman on the wall for close to a decade, I would say those estimates are conservative and growing.

The Desert Fathers (tagged as Christian) were hermits, ascetics, and monks who lived mainly in the same Egyptian Nitrate desert as Anthony, an Egyptian from Alexandria, Egypt, who has been called the “Father of Monasticism.” They believed the isolation of the desert life would teach them to not be concerned about the things of this world and the solitude would make it easier to follow God. Hungry souls from all over went to this region to join monasteries in the 3rd to 7th centuries.

As time went on, these ascetics monks developed a reputation for supposed holiness and wisdom and the desert life changed from that of the hermit with his own individual spiritual program, to community living with common prayer and meals which developed into what is called “Christian” monasticism. But where was the redeeming power of Jesus in all this?

The colossal error of the monastic lifestyle is denial and separation is not how one tames the heart. The heart is a beast that cannot be tamed by man’s creative tactics. It is only by submission unto Christ as the sovereign Lord or our life can one hope to realize proper victory over the flesh.

What is most troubling is that many of New Age groups embrace and love their teachings because it appeals to their system. It is always a bad sign when the world system speaks well of a religious group or leader, because they indeed love their own. The influence of these desert monks have come to influence the Church in terms of what is called the Emergent Church. A grave departure from the teachings of Christ, instead holding to Eastern thought and denial of absolute tenants of what Christ and the Scriptures taught.

“The Desert Fathers believed as long as the desire for God was sincere–anything could be utilized to reach God. If a method worked for the Hindus to reach their gods, then Christian mantras could be used to reach Jesus .” ATOD , p. 43, 2nd ed.

“In many ways the desert fathers were like Cain–eager to please but not willing to listen to the instruction of the Lord and do what is right. One cannot fault them for their devotion, but one certainly can for their lack of discernment.” ATOD, p. 44, 2nd ed.

“O house of Jacob, come and let us walk In the light of the LORD. For You have forsaken Your people, the house of Jacob, Because they are filled with eastern ways; They are soothsayers like the Philistines, And they are pleased with the children of foreigners. Their land is also full of silver and gold, And there is no end to their treasures; Their land is also full of horses, And there is no end to their chariots. Their land is also full of idols; They worship the work of their own hands, That which their own fingers have made. People bow down, And each man humbles himself.” Isaiah 2: 5-6

http://www.eternalpath.com/desertfathers.html

Solana hopes for guarantees that Iran's program is peaceful

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3783326,00.html

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana has said that the Western powers will demand objective proof from Iran that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only during talks.

“My expectation, or my hope, is that we will be able to get…the guarantees from Tehran, that the program in which they are engaged in is a peaceful program,” EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana told reporters in Gothenburg, Sweden.

:ostrich:

Saudis: We did not agree to help Israel strike in Iran

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3783326,00.html

Saudis: We did not agree to help Israel strike in Iran

Royal family source denies reports in British paper stating that Israeli, British intelligence heads met with Saudi officials, who agreed to allow Israel to use state’s airspace to attack Iranian nuclear facilities. Source also demands report be retracted from Iranian media

Gilad Shalit: Proof of video forthcoming for prisoner exchange

Hamas will provide a proof of life video showing Gilad is alive in exchange for 20 female prisoners in Israeli jails. I am looking for a report that Fatah is getting 1000 prisoners released…this is to show “good faith” from Israel in peace negotiations.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254163549259&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

The sources cautioned that this development did not mean that the sides were on the cusp of an agreement, but that this was part of a larger agreement that was still a long way off.

Once the names of the Palestinians are on the internet, the public – as was the case in similar prisoner releases in the past – will have 48 hours to appeal. After that period, the prisoners will be released once the German mediator – Ernst Urlau – hands the tape over to Israel.

Urlau has already seen the video, which is believed to have been taped within the last few weeks.

Nineteen of the 20 prisoners are from Judea and Samaria, and only one is from Gaza. The vast majority has already served two-thirds of their sentence, and was scheduled to be released within the next two years.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254163551170&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Almagor CEO Meir Indor stated that while a tape showing Schalit is alive and well should be freely given as per international conventions, Netanyahu will be freeing “potentially murderous terrorists” in exchange for a “Hamas propaganda tape.”

Indor also expressed his worry that unlike its predecessor, the current administration would easily succumb to pressure exerted by “a bunch of terrorists from Gaza.”

How can people even deal with folks like this: cowards and barbarians

Attached files

7.6 Sumatra

No tsunami, so far 99 dead and many more missing, some hotels and village buildings have collapsed.

Magnitude: 7.6

* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 10:16:09 UTC

* Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 05:16:09 PM at epicenter

* Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 0.789°S, 99.961°E

Depth 80 km (49.7 miles) set by location program

Region SOUTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA

Distances 45 km (30 miles) WNW of Padang, Sumatra, Indonesia

220 km (135 miles) SW of Pekanbaru, Sumatra, Indonesia

475 km (295 miles) SSW of KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia

960 km (590 miles) NW of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 8.9 km (5.5 miles); depth fixed by location program

Parameters NST= 42, Nph= 42, Dmin=521.5 km, Rmss=1.28 sec, Gp= 47°,

M-type=teleseismic moment magnitude (Mw), Version=8

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* USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)

Event ID us2009mebz

90 Minutes in Heaven

90 Minutes in Heaven 

by Don Piper

Fleming H. Revell, 2004

See also Embraced by the Light | Visiting Heaven and Hell | Comments | “Close Encounters…”

On his website, Don Piper introduces himself with these words:

“Best selling author, speaker, actor, syndicated columnist, former CBS & CBN Television network executive, former youth minister, education minister, senior adult minister, Baptist Student Ministry director, long-time single adult pastor and senior pastor….

“Piper is in great demand in pulpits across the United States and around the world as a conference leader on effective prayer ministry, the reality of Heaven, single adult issues and as an evangelist. He has led revival meetings and seminars all over North America and Europe. Don Piper is a dynamic speaker and the author of New York Times bestseller, 90 Minutes in Heaven – a True Story of Death and Life….

 

“Now in its 35th printing, 90 Minutes in Heaven has sold more than 1.6 million copies in the United States. It also is enjoying worldwide success as a bestseller in Sweden, Australia, Canada, South Africa and the United Kingdom.”

In spite of its popularity, his book prompts more questions than answers. Did Pastor Piper actually walk through the “gate” into heaven during those 90 minutes? His own statements seem to rebut that impression. Nor did he meet “Jesus.” Actually, he only mentions the name of Jesus three times in the book. (Those references are marked in red below) In fact, Jesus seems almost irrelevant in Pastor Piper’s conflicting testimony. Instead, the center of adoration throughout this “heavenly” experience was Pastor Piper himself. On pages 20-26, he writes,

 

“…I died… In my next moment of awareness, I was standing in heaven.” (pages 20-21)

“As the crowd rushed toward me, I didn’t see Jesus, but I did see the people I had known. As they surged toward me, I knew instantly that all of them had died during my lifetime. Their presence seemed absolutely natural. They rushed toward me, and every person was smiling, shouting, and praising God.

“Although no one said so, intuitively I knew they were my celestial welcoming committee. It was as if they had all gathered just outside heaven’s gate, waiting for me. The first person I recognized was Joe Kulbeth, my grandfather. He looked exactly as I remembered him, with his shock of white hair. …as I stared into his face, an ecstatic bliss overwhelmed me. … I couldn’t get past the joy of our reunion. How either of us reached heaven seemed irrelevant.” (page 22)

“More and more people reached for me and called me by name. I felt overwhelmed by the number of people who had come to welcome me to heaven. There were so many of them, and I had never imagined anyone being as happy as they all were…. I spotted two teachers who had loved me and often talked to me about Jesus Christ. … Everyone continually embraced me, touched me, spoke to me, laughed and praised God.” (page 24)

“Our conversations centered on the joy of my being there and how happy they were to see me.” (page 26)

“Even now, years later, I can sometimes close my eyes and see those perfect countenances and smiles…. Just being with them was a holy moment and remains a treasured hope. When I first stood in heaven they were still in front of me and came rushing toward me. They embraced me, and no matter which direction I looked, I saw someone I had loved and who had loved me. They surrounded me….

“Coming out from the gate–a short distance ahead — was a brilliance that was brighter than the light that surrounded us, utterly luminous.” (page 27)

“I paused just outside the gate, and I could see inside. It was a like a city with paved streets. To my amazement, they had been constructed of literal gold.” (page 34)

“I continued to step closer to the gate and assumed that I would go inside. My friends and relatives were all in front of me, calling, urging, and inviting me to follow…. Just as I reached the gate, my senses were even more heightened, and I felt deliriously happy.

“I paused…. just outside the gate. I was thrilled at the prospect and wanted to go inside. I knew everything would be even more thrilling than what I had experienced so far. At that very moment I was about to realize the yearning of every human heart. I was in heaven and ready to go in through the pearlescent gate.

“During that momentary pause, something else changed…. I had become part of the choir…. I had arrived at a place I had wanted to visit for a long time; I lingered to gaze before I continued forward. Then, just as suddenly as I had arrived at the gates of heaven I left them.” (page 36)

That’s the end of heavenly encounter! This mysterious “experience” occupied 16 pages (from 21 to 36) of the entire book. The rest of the book deals with more earthly concerns and challenges. But let’s return to that last statement for a moment. Pastor Piper tells us he didn’t go through the “pearlescent gate” — the entrance into heaven. Yet he supposedly spent 90 minutes in heaven. He had “arrived at a place” he “wanted to visit” — a place where he was showered with human adulation — yet he never met our Lord! Was he inside or merely at the threshold of heaven?

Pastor Piper prompts another question on page 31. He writes,

“As I stood before the gate, I didn’t think of it, but later I realized that I didn’t hear such songs as ‘The Old Rugged Cross’ or ‘the Nail-Scarred Hand.’ None of the hymns that filled the air were about Jesus’ sacrifice or death. I heard no sad songs and instinctively knew that there are no sad songs in heaven. Why should there be? All were praises about Christ’s reign as King of Kings and our joyful worship for all he has done for us and how wonderful he is.”

 

“Sad songs?” Are those precious old hymns about the victory through the cross really “sad”? Does God’s heavenly chorus of praise, like Pastor Piper, consider the message of the Lamb and the cross too “sad” to remember?

Not according to the Bible! What Pastor Piper “instinctively knew” clashes with God’s unchanging Word. It shows us that Jesus — the Lamb that was slain for us — became a central theme of angelic songs!

**Compare Piper’s certain “knowledge” with these choruses of heavenly praise:

“And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain…” Revelation 5:6

“And they sang a new song, saying: ‘You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals;

For You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood…” Revelation 5:9

“I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: ‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!” Revelation 5:11-12

 

“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8

The victory of the Cross

Do you wonder if Pastor Piper would consider the verse below too “sad” for heaven?

“When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, ‘How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Revelation 6:9-10

That Scripture exposes another major error in Piper’s “vision” of heaven. Notice that it refers to “the souls of those who had been slain,” not their identifiable bodies. Though the conscious souls of believers (God’s redeemed children who are eternally part of His family) will be with Jesus immediately after death, our souls will not be “clothed” in “spiritual bodies” until God’s scheduled time for “first resurrection.” Yet, Piper claims to be welcomed by friends and relatives already wearing their resurrection bodies. :dizzy:

 

And what about Piper himself? Was he not only dead, but also resurrected, “changed” and clothed in his heavenly body? Not according to the Scriptures!

Notice in the following verses that the souls of faithful believers (now with Jesus) will not be clothed in heavenly bodies until the time ordained by God — a time to be announced when the “last trumpet… will sound.”

 

“…one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, ‘If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.’ But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, ‘Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation?…’ Then he said to Jesus, ‘Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.'” Luke 23:39-43

 

“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

“For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

“But someone will say, ‘How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come? Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain — perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases….

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body….

“…flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up in victory.'” 1 Corinthians 15:35-54

The final and glorious new heaven and new earth are part of our future, not present. Today we are still bound by time, and God’s scheduled order must be fulfilled.

“Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, ‘Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; ‘there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.’ Then He who sat on the throne said, ‘Behold, I make all things new.'” Revelation 21:1-5

 

 

“…the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope….” Romans 8:21-24

“And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.” Revelation 22:3-5

In the book of Revelation, we can read the visions shown to the apostle John. In those visions, John didn’t meet or hug his beloved brothers and sisters in Christ. He didn’t recognize any of his fellow apostles who had been tortured and killed for their faith. Human relationships were not the focus of John’s vision. Instead, God showed Him heavenly events and earthly judgments that would serve His specific purpose. These were consistent with both Old Testament prophecies — and with the prophetic message of Jesus in Matthew 24 (also in Luke 21 and Mark 13). They also add new details and warnings that would help prepare God’s people for the times ahead.

Don Piper’s vision is more in line with today’s emerging church:

 

• It’s feeling-centered, not fact-centered.

• It focuses on self, not on God.

• It includes some old information (i.e. streets of gold), but no new revelation.

• It emphasizes human emotions, not God-given Truth.

Discernment is sadly lacking in churches today, and no wonder! Many call themselves Christians but reject God’s absolute, unchanging truth! Apart from that truth, we cannot know whether a vision or message brings truth or deception.

 

 

Please consider the following Scriptures. They can help you discern the nature of Pastor Piper’s message:

 

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1

“They speak a vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the Lord.” Jeremiah 23:16-17

“Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! O Israel, your prophets are like foxes in the deserts. You have not gone up into the gaps to build a wall for the house of Israel to stand in battle on the day of the Lord. They have envisioned futility and false divination, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord!’ But the Lord has not sent them; yet they hope that the word may be confirmed. Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, ‘The Lord says,’ but I have not spoken.” Ezekiel 13:3-7

 

“Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,’ says the Lord, ‘and… cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them….” Jeremiah 23:30-32

 

“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. “ Colossians 2:8

Finally, to avoid deception, “put on the whole armor of God.” [See Clothed in Christ]

“Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

“Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.” Ephesians 6:10-18

http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/books/church-growth/90minutes-heaven.htm

Principles for Spiritual Victory

Principles for Spiritual Victory

“Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might” (Eph. 6:10).

This month we’ve learned many things about spiritual warfare that I pray will better equip you for victory in your Christian life. In concluding our brief study of Ephesians 6:10-18, here are some key principles I want you to remember:

1. Remember that Satan is a defeated foe. Jesus came to destroy his works (1 John 3:8) and will someday cast him into eternal hell (Rev. 20:10).

2. Remember the power of Christ in your life. John said, [COLOR=Red]”Greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world” (1 John 4:4). The same power that defeated Satan indwells you. Consequently, you are never alone or without divine resources.

3. Remember to resist Satan. You have the power to resist him, so don’t acquiesce to him by being ignorant of his schemes or deliberately exposing yourself to temptation.

4. Keep your spiritual armor on at all times. It’s foolish to enter combat without proper protection.

5. Let Christ control your attitudes and actions. The spiritual battle we’re in calls for spiritual weapons (2 Cor. 10:3-4), so take “every thought captive to the obedience of Christ” (v. 5). Feed on the Word and obey its principles.

6. Pray, pray, pray! Prayer unleashes the Spirit’s power. Be a person of fervent and faithful prayer (cf. James 5:16).

God never intended for you to live in spiritual defeat. I pray you’ll take advantage of the resources He has supplied that your life might honor Him. Enjoy sweet victory every day!

Suggestions for Prayer:

Thank God for His promise of ultimate victory in Christ.

For Further Study:

Read Ephesians 6:10-18.

* Review each piece of armor.

* Is any piece missing from your personal defense system? If so, determine what you will do to correct the deficiency[/COLOR].

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Devotionals

What DID Jesus Do?

What DID Jesus Do?

By John MacArthur

Today’s post comes from John’s new book, The Jesus You Can’t Ignore.

There’s nothing wrong with asking, “What would Jesus do?” That’s a fine question. For our purposes, we might ask, “What would Jesus do in response to the contemporary evangelical landscape.”

How would He react to the post-evangelical goulash of opinions represented in Christian magazines, in the Emerging blogosphere, or in the trendy evangelical megachurches that have held the evangelical movement in thrall for the past few decades? Would He affirm the current mainstream of evangelical apathy toward truth and authentic biblical unity? Would He approve of those who, confronted with a plethora of contradictions and doctrinal novelties, simply celebrate their movement’s “diversity” while trying to avoid all controversy, embracing every theological renegade, and elevating orthopraxy over orthodoxy? Was Jesus’ meek-and-gentle mildness of that sort?

I’m convinced we can answer those questions with confidence if we first ask a slightly different question: What did Jesus do? How did He deal with the false teachers, religious hypocrites, and theological miscreants of His time? Did He favor the approach of friendly dialogue and collegial disagreement, or did He in fact adopt a militant stance against every form of false religion?

Anyone even superficially familiar with the gospel accounts ought to know the answer to that question, because there is no shortage of data on the matter. Jesus’ interaction with the Scribes, Pharisees, and hypocrites of His culture was full of conflict from the start of His earthly ministry to the end. Sometimes the Pharisees provoked the conflict; more often than not, Jesus did. Hostile is not too strong a word to describe His attitude toward the religious system they represented, and that was evident in all His dealings with them.

Jesus never suffered professional hypocrites or false teachers gladly. He never shied away from conflict. He never softened His message to please genteel tastes or priggish scruples. He never suppressed any truth in order to accommodate someone’s artificial notion of dignity. He never bowed to the intimidation of scholars or paid homage to their institutions.

And He never, never, never treated the vital distinction between truth and error as a merely academic question.

http://www.shepherdsfellowship.org/pulpit/posts.aspx?ID=4379

Sarkozy furious with Obama

Listening to this discussion on the news, they are saying Sarkozy is furious with Obama, his arrogance and naivette. “America is to be the leader of the West, but Obama is naive and undermining allies, and pushing America’s allies away, while he (Obama) runs headlong arrogantly, into false dreams of talking the world into peace, and every time Obama “reaches out his hand”, he is being spit in the face….he won’t listen to those in Europe, but has an attitude, of “step aside and I’ll handle it”. He is not listening to anyone and his removal of the missle defense promised to Poland and the Czech republic is a slap in the face and done for his own naive plans-and only thinking of America and not the rest of America’s allies in Europe.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/09/29/sarkozys_contempt_for_obama.html

The contempt with which the president of France regards the president of the United States was displayed in public last week.

Nicolas Sarkozy was furious with Barack Obama for his adolescent warbling about a world without nuclear weapons at a meeting Mr. Obama chaired of the United Nations Security Council last Thursday (9/24).

“We must never stop until we see the day when nuclear arms have been banished from the face of the earth,” President Obama said.

What infuriated President Sarkozy was that at the time Mr. Obama said those words, Mr. Obama knew the mullahs in Iran had a secret nuclear weapons development site, and he didn’t call them on it.

‘President Obama dreams of a world without weapons…but right in front of us two countries are doing the exact opposite,” Mr. Sarkozy said.

“Iran since 2005 has flouted five Security Council resolutions,” Mr. Sarkozy said. “North Korea has been defying Council resolutions since 1993.”

“What good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community?” he asked rhetorically. “More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe out a UN member state off the map.”

If the Security Council had imposed serious sanctions on the regimes which are flouting UN resolutions, the resolution Mr. Obama proposed about working toward nuclear disarmament wouldn’t have been so meaningless, Mr. Sarkozy implied…….

“If we have courage to impose sanctions together it will lend viability to our commitment to reduce or own weapons and to making a world without nuke weapons,” he said.

The extent of President Obama’s naivete – or duplicity – was on display Friday at the G20 summit when the president, flanked by Mr. Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, revealed to the American public that Iran had a second nuclear weapons site on a military base near the holy city of Qom.

Iran has been put on notice before. At the G8 meeting in Italy in July, Mr. Obama and other leaders set a “firm deadline” of Sep. 10 for the Iranians to make a serious offer to negotiate about their nuclear program. When the mullahs blew him off, Mr. Obama quietly extended the deadline until December.

December could be too late. “Tehran soon could have humankind’s most frightening weapon if substantial diplomatic progress is not made in the coming days,” Rep. Howard Berman (D-Cal), the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee said Saturday (9/26).

If severe economic sanctions are not imposed immediately, in months if not in weeks, only a military strike will b e able to prevent an Iranian bomb.

But after sternly lecturing Iran on its international obligations Friday, President Obama didn’t call for sanctions. He called for more negotiations. And then, as the Iranians were spitting in his eye with the missile test, he jetted off to Copenhagen to lobby to have the 2016 Olympics held in Chicago.

No wonder Nicolas Sarkozy holds him in contempt.